[Oa-italia] OA e publishers

Tessa Piazzini tessa.piazzini a unifi.it
Mer 2 Maggio 2018 11:14:43 CEST


Il problema Ŕ che non dovrebbero essere le biblioteche a combattere, ma 
le universitÓ di cui fanno parte (e il ministero ancora sopra): noi 
possiamo fornire dati, numeri, costi, etc. ma alla fine il potere 
decisionale rimane in mano agli organi politici.

Tessa Piazzini
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Il 29/03/2018 18:36, Elena Giglia ha scritto:
> ... e non posso fare a meno di copiare il commento di Peter 
> Murray-Rust su questo:
>
> Libraries will have to decide whether they're for reseachers or for 
> publishers; they cannot continue as they are, talk but no fight
> https://twitter.com/petermurrayrust/status/979361884246806528
> eg
>
> 2018-03-29 15:34 GMT+02:00 Elena Giglia <elena.giglia a unito.it 
> <mailto:elena.giglia a unito.it>>:
>
>     ... scusate, ma questa era troppo bella...
>
>     Vi copio i tweets di Mike Taylor che riprendono passaggi di Martin
>     Gr÷tschel,á fra l'altro membro del team di negoziazione DEAL, ad
>     APE 2018 (fiera editori) https://www.ape2018.eu/
>     Sei minuti di lucidissimo discorso su monopolio, implicazioni
>     economiche, aviditÓ, profitti "grotteschi" e... pretese di essere
>     i "buoni Samaritani" della scienza.
>     https://youtu.be/dGAXTEnqBew
>
>     Da sentire!
>     eg
>
>     The opening remarks by the hosts of conferences are usually highly
>     forgettable, a courtesy platform offered to a high-ranking
>     academic who has nothing to say about the conference's subject.
>     NOT THIS TIME!
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978912940035313665>
>
>     These are the opening remarks of Martin Gr÷tschel, who as well as
>     being president of the host institution, the Berlin Brandenburg
>     Academy of Sciences and Humanities, is a 25-year veteran of
>     #*OpenAccess* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/OpenAccess?src=hash>
>     campaigning. and a member of the German DEAL negotiating team.
>     Read on…
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978913546133229568>
>
>     1m50s: "I have always been aware of the significant imbalance and
>     the fundamental divisions of the academic publication market.
>     Being in the DEAL negotiation team, this became even more apparent
>     ..."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978913951135207424>
>
>     2m04s: "On the side of the scientists there is an atomistic market
>     where, up to now and unfortunately, many of the actors play
>     without having any clue about the economic consequences of their
>     activities."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978914496004706304>
>
>     2m22s: "In Germany and a few other countries where buyer alliances
>     have been organised, they are, as expected, immediately accused of
>     forming monopolies and they are taken to court — fortunately,
>     without success, and with the result of strengthening the alliances."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978915000470339584>
>
>     2m38s: "On the publishers' side there is a very small number of
>     huge publication enterprises with very smart marketing people.
>     They totally dominate the market, produce grotesque profits, and
>     amazingly manage to pretend to be the Good Samaritans of the
>     sciences."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978915525018480640>
>
>     2m27s: "And there are the tiny [publishers ...] tentatively
>     observed by many delegates of the big players, who are letting
>     them play the game, ready to swallow them if an opportunity comes
>     up." (Predatory Publishers, anyone? -- Ed.)
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978916265166344192>
>
>     3m18s: "When you, the small publishers, discuss with the
>     representatives of the big guys, these are most likely very
>     friendly to you. But […] when it comes to discussing system
>     changes, when the arguments get tight, the smiles disappear and
>     the greed begins to gleam."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978916810304245760>
>
>     3m42s: "You will hear in words, and not implicitly, that the small
>     academic publishers are considered to be just round-off errors,
>     tolerated for another while, irrelevant for the world-wide
>     scientific publishing market, and having no influence at all."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978917323905093632>
>
>     4m00s: "One big publisher stated: if your country stops
>     subscribing to our journals, science in your country will be set
>     back significantly. I responded […] it is interesting to hear such
>     a threat from a producer of envelopes who does not have any idea
>     of the contents."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978918001599746048>
>
>     4m39s: "Will the small publishers side with the intentions of the
>     scholars? Or will you try to copy the move towards becoming a
>     packaging industry that exploits the volunteer work of scientists
>     and results financed by public funding?"
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978918717760397312>
>
>     5m55: "I do know, though, that the major publishers are verbally
>     agreeing [to low-cost Gold #*OpenAccess*
>     <https://twitter.com/hashtag/OpenAccess?src=hash>] , but not
>     acting in this direction all, simply to maintain their huge profit
>     margins."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor/status/978919059738845184>
>
>     6m06s: "In a market economy, no-one can argue against profit
>     maximisation [of barrier-based scholarly publishers]. But one is
>     also allowed to act against it. The danger may be really
>     disruptive, instead of smooth moves in the development of the
>     academic publishing market."
>
>     <https://twitter.com/MikeTaylor>
>
>     Finally at 6:42: "You may not have enjoyed my somewhat unusual
>     words of welcome, but I do hope that you enjoy this year's APE
>     [Academic Publishing in Europe] conference."
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     dr. Elena Giglia
>     UnitÓ di progetto Open Access
>     Direzione Ricerca e Terza Missione
>     Universita' degli Studi di Torino
>     tel. +39.011.670 <tel:+39%20011%20670>*.4191*
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