[Oa-italia] Fwd: [GOAL] Some questions about Heloise the French Romeo Sherpa site

[maddalena morando]

Giro alla lista perchè di interesse. Anche noi in Italia abbiamo il 
problema di un Sherpa Romeo italico e anche noi, come i francesi, 
corriamo il rischio che sia sotto il controllo AIE o similaria.

Cordiali saluti
Maddalena

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Oggetto: 	[GOAL] Some questions about Heloise the French Romeo Sherpa site
Data: 	Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:38:39 +0200
Mittente: 	Thierry Chanier <thierry.chanier a univ-bpclermont.fr>
Rispondi-a: 	Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) 
<goal a eprints.org>
A: 	goal a eprints.org



We all know the Romeo Sherpa web site (http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/ ) 
where academics display the policies of hundreds of international 
publishers on author deposit of articles in open archives at various 
stages of the workflow in the scientific research/publication cycle. 
These criteria have been defined by the academic world and are related 
to the explanation of good practice for making research results accessible.

One might have expected that Héloïse (http://heloise.ccsd.cnrs.fr/) 
would be a French version of Romeo Sherpa, but it is decidedly not. As 
recalled by Ghislaine Chartron (see extract hereafter) it is under the 
control of French commercial publishers (FCP).  On a public server (see 
hereafter) FCP develop their own viewpoints. FCP set up their own 
criteria in a way that tends to dictate to researchers how they should 
publish and communicate their results, see for example the policy for 
the journal "Revue d'histoire littéraire de la France" (left menu 
"Auteurs" > "Rechercher une revue")  where they express their view not 
only on Open archives but also on personal websites and even Intranets 
(with a five year embargo) !

A large majority of French commercial publishers have never been listed 
in Romeo Sherpa.

Relying on the usual pretext of French Language or difference, 
convenient when leading an autarchic policy which seeks public funding 
for their commercial business, FCP negotiated the opening of the Heloise 
site with the French Minister of Research. They may have done it through 
the GFII consortium, where private institutions are predominant, but 
also, very surprisingly, a consortium in which one of the heads of the 
CNRS (Centre Nationale de la Recherche Scientifique ; a very large 
public research institution in France) sits on the governing body 
(http://www.gfii.fr/fr/legfii/conseil-d-administration ).

In addition, it should be noted that Heloise web site is hosted by the 
public institution CCSD (http://ccsd.cnrs.fr/, governed by the CNRS) 
which controls and manages HAL (http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/), the 
main national open archive, upon which many other open archives depend.

In order to come back to a situation where the publication / 
dissemination of research results is under the responsibility of 
researchers, we suggest that the design and control of Heloise should be 
entirely in the hands of a scientific committe composed exclusively of 
researchers and academics.

This committee may ask all scientific publishers what their policies are 
on author deposit of articles into open archives according to Romeo / 
Sherpa classification. This information can then be translated and 
incorporated into Romeo. The site should mainly display information 
about good practice for providing open access to research results. It 
may also emphasize the necessity for editorial boards of research 
journals to require publishers to adopt copyright agreements (such as 
http://scholars.sciencecommons.org/ ), i.e. agreements where authors 
keep full rights over their production.

Thierry Chanier
Clermont Université

****** extract of Chartron email on ADBS list (adbs-info a listes.adbs.fr) 
March 2012 ***************

Le groupe du GFII-SNE qui a réuni éditeurs et documentalistes connait 
bien l'initiative Sherpa, le projet Héloïse a été conçu pour palier 
certaines lacunes de Sherpa:
1. Ce sont les éditeurs qui déposent dans Héloïse et certifient 
l'information (et non dans Sherpa)
2. Héloïse a introduit un ensemble d'options demandées par les éditeurs 
et non présentes dans Sherpa

[?]

Ghislaine Chartron

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