[Oa-italia] Wiki e Open Access

Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84 a gmail.com
Gio 7 Lug 2011 10:06:56 CEST

Dato che ho ricevuto qualche feedback in privato,
mi permetto di inoltrare al gruppo l'inizio di un thread che si sta
svolgendo fra vari Wikimediani a livello internazionale.
In un paio di battute sono stati coinvolti Melissa Hagemann (Senior Program
Manager dell'Open Society Foundations) e Daniel Mietchen, Wikimedian in
residence per l'Open Access e Open society.

Ho posto a loro la stessa domanda che ho posto in questa lista (citata
esplicitamente da Melissa, fra l'altro), cioè un tentativo di capire quali
progetti sono in piedi fra movimento Wikimedia ed OA e quali, in teoria, si
potrebbero organizzare.
Chi volesse partecipare al thread non ha che da dirlo (anche in privato), lo
inserirò nella prossima mail.

Andrea Zanni

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Daniel Mietchen <daniel.mietchen a googlemail.com>
Date: 2011/7/7
Subject: Re: OA - Call for brainstorm
To: Melissa Hagemann <mhagemann a osi-dc.org>
Cc: Samuel Klein <meta.sj a gmail.com>, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 a gmail.com>,
"fschulenburg a wikimedia.org" <fschulenburg a wikimedia.org>, phoebe ayers <
phoebe.wiki a gmail.com>, Federico Leva <federicoleva a tiscali.it>, Laurentius
<puntoesclamativo a email.it>, "mathias.schindler a wikimedia.de" <
mathias.schindler a wikimedia.de>, "pavel.richter a wikimedia.de" <
pavel.richter a wikimedia.de>, "l_guldbrandsson a hotmail.com" <
l_guldbrandsson a hotmail.com>, "dgerard a gmail.com" <dgerard a gmail.com>,
Direttivo Wikimedia Italia <direttivo a wikimedia.it>, jayvdb <
jayvdb a gmail.com>, "lodewijk a effeietsanders.org" <
lodewijk a effeietsanders.org>

Dear all,

thanks for bringing me into this conversation, Melissa.

I see a number of areas in which the OA and WMF communities could join
forces, and several of these are relevant to the newly approved
project. None of these points is specific to Italy or Italian, but
although Italian had not been on my radar there yet (basically because
I can only understand it, not produce it myself), I agree that
addressing them together with existing communities with overlapping
interests is a good idea.

Let me outline a few:

(1) the WMF would benefit from feedback from the OA community on the
draft of a WMF policy on OA and open data. It currently exists in two
variants - a general mandate modeled after the NIH policy (cf.
) and a scheme more cast in terms of practical implementation (cf.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:WMF_support ) that takes into
account different degrees of WMF support for research projects (a
distinction not made at the NIH).

(2) both sides would benefit from a broader reuse of OA materials -
especially images - on WMF projects. I have collected some basic stats
on this at
and think it would be very good to have a simple way of uploading all
suitably licensed OA materials to Commons or a sister directory (e.g.
http://figshare.com/ or similar). On a related note, the annual image
contest at Commons (for latest issue, see
) features very few images that came from an OA source (so far, I only
found one - http://commons.wikimedia.org/?title=File:Culex_sp_larvae.png
; a finalist in 2007). Having some more systematic approach to getting
OA-sourced images featured as picture of the day/ month/ year would
certainly be good.

(3) the articles on OA and related topics are generally not in a good
shape, and typically not even assessed for quality. For the English
Wikipedia, I have started building a skeleton for what is to become an
overview of what OA-related articles would be desirable to have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mietchen/OA_catalogue . Turning this
into a set of coherent articles will require something like a Task
force, even though the most relevant ones do not seem to be very
active these days, and there is not much of collaboration in this
regard across different WMF projects or even languages. Here, having
OA people involved across projects or languages would certainly be

(4) I think publishers (not just OA ones, actually) would benefit from
having a closer look at the RNA families Track at the journal RNA
Biology (which is not OA, btw), in which authors are required to
submit, for manuscripts reporting on new types of RNA families, the
draft for a corresponding Wikipedia article, which will be peer
reviewed along with the manuscript (see
http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology/guidelines/ and
search for Wikipedia). Once the paper is published, the Wikipedia
article goes live, naturally citing the journal article, thus
providing the journal with exposure at a highly visible platform.
Similar partnerships are possible with other WMF projects (e.g.

(5) I think peer review in any journal (and at funding agencies, but
that is another story) would benefit from being conducted in the open
(cf. http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/473452b ). One possibility here is to
post the reviews of accepted papers in public (e.g.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/8/62/prepub ), another to have
the manuscript posted in public and to invite public comments along
with public formal reviews (e.g.
). This latter approach works only for publishers that accept green OA
in some form, but it works best for gold OA. Having some more OA
publishers experiment with such a system could, over time, develop
into something like "wiki-style" review at Scholarpedia (cf.
), i.e. that reviewers edit the draft directly rather than commenting
on it. With such a system in place at (at least some) OA journals,
researchers could well be more motivated to contribute to
collaborative projects like those run by the WMF (see also the survey
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Expert_participation_survey ).
Also related to the issue of motivation: Participants at the recent
Open Science Workshop at OAI7 voted "Change the way scientists are
evaluated" to the top of the agenda (cf.
http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-science/2011-July/000840.html ),
and joining forces with WMF (and funders) to get wiki contributions
included in the picture of scientific evaluation could well be
worthwhile too.

Expansion of the approach mentioned in (3) to languages other than
English is anticipated (though for the moment only to those three that
I can write articles in). For example, for the German Wikimedia
chapter's WikiConvention later this year, I have proposed a session in
preparation for Open Access Week (cf.
), and this could certainly be coordinated with related activities on
the Italian end, or elsewhere.

During OA week, one could think of highlighting OA-derived content on
WMF projects, or having collaborative writing sessions on OA-related
topics, or having prizes for contributions along these lines.

Looking forward to further deepening of the discussion,


On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Melissa Hagemann <mhagemann a osi-dc.org>
> Hi SJ and Aubrey,
> Wonderful to hear that there is interest in Italy to find ways to bring
together the WMF and OA communities.
> I'm adding Daniel Mietchen to the thread, as the Open Society Foundations
just approved a grant to support Daniel to be a Wikimedian in Residence on
Open Access and Open Science. For years, I've thought the OA and WMF
communities had much in common and we should be doing more to properly
introduce the communities and build synergies between them. So perhaps
Daniel can help to brainstorm about what more could be done in Italy and
then Italy could become an example of what can be accomplished in this area.
> In general, I think that by raising awareness of OA (and specifically the
materials which are freely available through OA) within the WMF community,
we could encourage more OA resources to be used as references in Wikipedia
articles.  In addition, Wikimedians could become powerful allies in the OA
movement, helping to make more content freely available through OA, so it
could be used in more WMF projects.
> With regards to Italy, Aubrey, you mentioned that you are in close contact
with many folks working on OA there, so you probably know about these
resources, but I thought it would be helpful to share some info on those
I've worked with in the past as well as current OA projects:
> - Paola Gargiulo (p.gargiulo a caspur.it) - you may already know Paola, but
I think she's great and would probably enjoy being part of this
> - Portal for Italian Electronic Scholarly Literature in Institutional
Archives - a service provider to Italian OA scholarly and research content;
collects and  provides access to current information on OA in Italy and
abroad http://www.openarchives.it/pleiadi
> - OA Week Wiki in Italian -
> - OA Mailing list in Italian:
> Excited to see what we can do to make Italy an example of what can be
achieved through collaboration between the OA and WMF communities.
> Best,
> Melissa
> Melissa Hagemann
> Senior Program Manager
> Information Program
> Open Society Foundations
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samuel Klein [mailto:meta.sj a gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: Andrea Zanni; Melissa Hagemann
> Cc: fschulenburg a wikimedia.org; phoebe ayers; Federico Leva; Laurentius;
mathias.schindler a wikimedia.de; pavel.richter a wikimedia.de;
l_guldbrandsson a hotmail.com; dgerard a gmail.com; Direttivo Wikimedia Italia;
jayvdb; lodewijk a effeietsanders.org
> Subject: Re: OA - Call for brainstorm
> Andrea, let me introduce you to our advisor Melissa Hagemann, one of the
driving forces behind the Open Access movement.
> Melissa and I had a conversation about how Wikimedia and OAI could work
better together - including ways we could give more attention to OA in our
engagements with academia.  She should definitely be part of this thread.
> Melissa, if you have any ideas specifically for Italy, this is a perfect
opportunity.  Aubrey's sorcery is powerful.
> SJ
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 a gmail.com>
>> Hi all.
>> In case you don't know me, I'm Aubrey, current secretary of Wikimedia
>> Italy and compulsive wikisourceror.
>> I'm writing you for a little request, and as an attempt of structuring
>> a debate about Open Access.
>> Members of Wikimedia Italy are getting more and more interested in the
>> Open Access movement, and would like to support it and work together,
>> as both initiatives pursue the same goals.
>> But, right now, we really lack ideas of the ways and projects we could
>> support.
>> It's not just a matter of money, but of ideas, projects, competences,
>> directions.
>> Examples:
>> * as WMI, we are currently studying if an OAI-PMH extension for
>> MediaWiki could be useful for our projects (i.e. Wikisource, Commons)
>> * we are asking opens source communities behind librarin softwares as
>> OJS, VuFind to move on translatewiki.net, to crowdsource translations
>> * we are interested in the world of biological/chemistry data banks,
>> as it happens many make visualizations/animations of
>> proteins/viruses/cells, and maybe we wante them released in CC-BY-SA
>> (e.g. http://www.scivis.ifc.cnr.it/,
>> http://proteopedia.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)
>> * we are currently brainstorming about an event for the international
>> Open Access Week, that will be held from 24 to 30 October, 2011.
>> But these are just drafts, and I sense an unexplored world out there.
>> I also wrote to OA librarians around Italy (I know many of the actors
>> here in Italy, and it happens my job is related to that), but they are
>> as confused as me on the possible convergences we may have.
>> So I'm writing to you, because afaik everyone of you has been more or
>> less involved in OA, and in the relationship between OA and Wikimedia.
>> Which projects have you done? Which ideas do you have in mind? What
>> can we do all together? What can we do as chapters? What can the
Foundation do?
>> Thank you for your time and expertise, and feel free to forward to
>> anyone who could be interested (and valuable) in this conversation
>> Aubrey
> --
> Samuel Klein          identi.ca:sj           w:user:sj          +1 617 529
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