<div dir="ltr"><div>...provo a rigirare la domanda: e il ricercatore del Benin come fa a leggere se il suo ateneo non paga gli abbonamenti? è uno dei grandi esclusi, che invece guadagnerebbe da una conversione OA delel riviste.<br></div><div>Quanto alle APC gli editori OA seri prevedono un waiver per chi non può pagare.</div><div>Cari saluti</div><div>[fortuna che sta sessione era un po' pallosa, se no mi sarei persa le tue mail che sono molto più stimolanti! Grazie]<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Il giorno mer 10 ott 2018 alle ore 11:33 Nicoletta Zar <<a href="mailto:nicoletta.zar@ictp.it">nicoletta.zar@ictp.it</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Grazie Elena, va bene mobilizzare, ma se non c'e' nulla da poter
      mobilizzare? Purtroppo ancora non capisco. Esempio: un brillante
      matematico del Benin che non ha di che pagare gli APC richiesti,
      perché la sua università/istituto non ha risorse -e mai si è
      potuta permettere abbonamenti- ma vorrebbe sottoporre il proprio
      lavoro a una di quelle 3213 riviste che si fanno pagare, non potrà
      farlo e quindi non avrà le stesse possibilità di chi ha potuto
      riallocare? <br>
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    <p>Nicoletta<br>
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    <p>PS: perché APC in italiano è femminile? <br>
    </p>
    <p><i>passo e chiudo</i><i><br>
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    <div class="m_-5457505729993895851moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2018 11:08, Elena Giglia
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        <div>Cara Nicoletta,</div>
        <div>quello che sottolinei è il fraintendimento più grosso su
          PlanS.</div>
        <div>Si dice "WHEN" APC are requested.</div>
        <div>A oggi ci sono 3213 riviste su 12188 che chiedono APC.</div>
        <div>E la logica di PlanS è che le istituzioni paghino le APC. <br>
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        <div>Continuo a non capire perché si trovi normale pagare
          milioni in abbonamenti che crescono ogni anno e chiudono il
          contenuto per tutti quelli che non se lo possono permettere e
          si sia contrari alle APC PURE e sottolineo PURE e non ibride -
          NON previste queste ultime da PlanS - che sono pagate una
          volta per tutte e aprono il contenuto a tutti.</div>
        <div>Anche OA2020 e il libro bianco di Max Planck prevedono una
          riallocazione delle risorse. O. come diceva con la consueta
          chiarezza il prof Emanuele Conte durante una riunione CRUI, se
          si vuole fare Open Science occorre anche "mobilizzare" e
          aprire le risorse adesso bloccate per gli abbonamenti.</div>
        <div>Che ne pensi?</div>
        <div>Cari saluti</div>
        <div>eg<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Il giorno mer 10 ott 2018 alle ore 10:32
              Nicoletta Zar <<a href="mailto:nicoletta.zar@ictp.it" target="_blank">nicoletta.zar@ictp.it</a>> ha
              scritto:<br>
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                <p>Cari colleghi,</p>
                <p>Noi all' "Abdus Salam International Centre for
                  Theoretical Physics" lavoriamo dal 1964 per combattere
                  l'esclusione, il brain-drain, favorire l'educazione e
                  lo sviluppo delle scienze di base nei paesi meno
                  sviluppati, quelli che, nonostante il progresso
                  tecnologico ancora non hanno accesso alla letteratura
                  scientifica. Per ricercatori che con grande fatica
                  lavorano nel resto del mondo, accedere liberamente
                  sarebbe la realizzazione di un sogno e una grande
                  spinta al progresso di tutti. Ma come potranno portare
                  il loro contributo ai risultati se la strada scelta
                  sarà il pay to publish? Seguo le notizie e le
                  discussioni ma non trovo proposte di soluzione per
                  questo problema che è concreto. Se ce ne sono le
                  condividete?<br>
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                <p>Il timore è che nel tentativo legittimo di aprire una
                  porta, se ne chiuda un'altra a chi finalmente può
                  nutrirsi delle ricerche altrui per alimentare le
                  proprie.</p>
                <p>Stephen Curry [su Nature 561, 17-18 (2018) doi:
                  10.1038/d41586-018-06178-7] :</p>
                <p> </p>
                <blockquote type="cite">But Curry cautions that shifting
                  from a subscription to an open-access business model
                  around the world, as Plan S signers advocate, could
                  bring a new challenge - how scientists in poorer
                  nations will be able to afford to publish open-access
                  work. "That has to be part of the conversation", he
                  says.</blockquote>
                Grazie per l'attenzione.
                <p>Nicoletta</p>
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