<div dir="ltr"><div>Grazie Alessandro, sei stato prezioso.</div><div>Il motivo per cui ho scritto qui non era nel merito se sia giusto o meno rispondere a sti troll su FB. Volevo semplicemente stigmatizzare</div><div>- la diffusione di fake news da parte di professori e società scientifiche</div><div>- il fatto che uno possa nel 2018 affermare impunemente che butterebbe una bibliotecaria giù dalla finestra.</div><div>Detto questo, mi sono stufata do commentare: se anche di fronte all'evidenza del video di ESOf 2018 non recedono, viene veramente da disperarsi su come fanno ricerca.</div><div>Grazie ancora del sostegno, sei stat prezioso</div><div>eg<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Il giorno dom 7 ott 2018 alle ore 23:33 Alessandro Sarretta <<a href="mailto:alessandro.sarretta@gmail.com">alessandro.sarretta@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Cara Elena,</p>
    <p>tutto il mio sostegno a te sia qui, sia su Facebook.</p>
    <p>Ale<br>
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    <div class="m_4840651766974199325moz-cite-prefix">On 07/10/2018 10:53, Elena Giglia
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      <div dir="ltr">Chi ha segutio l'allucinante thread sulla posizione
        EMS su PlanS sul gruppo Facebook/ROARS gia' sa.
        <div>Per gli altri, questo succede in Italia, nel 2018.</div>
        <div>Vi inoltro la mail che ho mandato a GSSI, istituto presso
          cui il "professore" lavora.</div>
        <div>Ho inoltrato anche ad AIB.</div>
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        <div>Quando io da ANNI sto cheidendo a CRUi che faccia
          formazione su questo, ad alto livello, senza alcun riscontro,
          credo che si capisca perche'. Leggete il thread. Questi sono a
          spada tratta contro APC perché aumentano il monopolio degli
          editori e i profitti. Che vengono da? indovinate? Gli
          abbonamenti che loro sostengono a spada tratta.</div>
        <div>Non hanno letto PlanS, se no saprebbero che esculde
          l'ibrido e mette tetto ad APC, non hanno letto il Complaint,
          perché se no saprebbero che riguarda il Monitor e non PlanS,
          ma se io fornisco documenti a supporto - ciò che ocmpete a una
          umile bibliotecaria - non leggono e continuano imperterriti
          nei loro pregiudizi.</div>
        <div>Buona domenica.</div>
        <div>eg<br>
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              From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Elena
                Giglia</strong> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elena.giglia@unito.it" target="_blank">elena.giglia@unito.it</a>></span><br>
              Date: dom 7 ott 2018 alle ore 09:50<br>
              Subject: Rilievo su frasi del prof. Marcati<br>
              To: <<a href="mailto:comunicazione@gssi.it" target="_blank">comunicazione@gssi.it</a>>,
              <<a href="mailto:info@gssi.it" target="_blank">info@gssi.it</a>><br>
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            <div dir="ltr">RE-INVIO per errore in indirizzo
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                <div dir="ltr">Spett. GSSI
                  <div>non trovo sul sito una mail per l'Ufficio
                    Relazioni col Pubblico quindi scrivo a voi nella
                    speranza che possiate indirizzare il mio reclamo a
                    chi di dovere.</div>
                  <div>Sulla pagina pubblica del gruppo ROARS su
                    Facebook il prof. Marcati ha avviato una discussione
                    presentando un documento della EMS su PlanS - una
                    presa diposizione decisa nei confronti dell'Open
                    Access.</div>
                  <div>1) Il documento EMS contenteva una serie di false
                    notizie, tant'è che l'ho segnalato a Science Europe
                    promotore dell'iniziativa che ha risposto come
                    segue:</div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank
                        you for pointing this out to us.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                        cannot believe how many inaccuracies and
                        misleading statements are in this short article.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We
                        will ask the EMS to retract it.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank
                        you again for alerting us to this.</span></p>
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                    2) ostinandosi a difendere l'indifendibile - basta
                    leggere il link citato nel documento EMS per
                    rendersene conto, il professore ha iniziato a
                    mettere in dubbio che io fossi una persona
                    "qualificata". Per rispondere, ho citato il fatto
                    che da anni partecipo a livello europeo a eventi su
                    Open Access e Open Science anche in qualità di
                    esperta invitata dalla Commissione. Aggiungo che ho
                    una laurea, un PhD, due Master, e pubblico di questi
                    argomenti da anni.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>3) ad un certo punto  compare il post <span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);background-color:rgb(239,241,243)"><span style="font-family:inherit">Comunque ho visto
                        che lei è una bibliotecaria, posso chiederle
                        visto che non è un ri</span></span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);background-color:rgb(239,241,243)"><span style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit">cercatore o un
                          accademico a quale titolo esprime opinioni
                          molto forti in favore di un open Access a
                          pagamento? Questa materia potrà avere forte
                          impatto sulla vita futura di molti
                          ricercatori, a che titolo lei va in comitati
                          internazionali e magari parla nome della
                          comunità scientifica italiana, senza neanche
                          farne parte?</span></span></span></div>
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                  Per amor di chiarezza, non vado in nessun comitato
                  internazionale e non porto la posizione di nessuna
                  comunità scientifica. Come ho risposto al professore,
                  partecipo in qualità di esperta su questi temi,
                  contribuisco ai workshop con la visione tecnica - che
                  a livello europeo è apprezzata e tenuta in conto -, mi
                  aggiorno, e svolgo una intensa attività di formazione
                  e informazione su questi temi.</div>
                <div dir="ltr">Avrei anche da rimarcare che, nel 2018,
                  propugnare ancora una distinzione corporativistica fa
                  "accademici" e bibliotecari lascia basiti, perché a
                  quanto mi risulta il personale tecnico amministrativo
                  fa parte del personale universitario con competenze
                  proprie. Le mie competenze, essendo di livello EP e
                  quindi titolare di posizione organizzativa, sono
                  pubbliche.<br>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>4) e poi il post "<span style="background-color:rgb(239,241,243);color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Tra
                      l’altro dare un ruolo nella politica della ricerca
                      a persone non qualificate, significa esporsi a
                      fenomeni lobbistici molto pericolosi"</span></div>
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                  Per amor di chiarezza, io non ho nessun ruolo nella
                  politica - il tutto assunto a priori dal professore
                  non si sa su quale base, forse solo perché ho le
                  competenze per parlarne? Dare della lobbista a me, che
                  lavoro in area ricerca, e che in tutti i miei seminari
                  - ognuno può verificare le slide, <a href="https://www.oa.unito.it/new/materiale-scaricabile/" target="_blank">https://www.oa.unito.it/new/materiale-scaricabile/</a> -
                  attacco pesantemente il monopolio degli editori, è
                  un'offesa gratutita.
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                  <div>5) e quando una collega prende le difese compare
                    il post " <span style="color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(239,241,243)"> <b>Io
                        penso che se nella mia università la
                        bibliotecaria fosse venuta nel mio ufficio a
                        dirmi come condurre il mio gruppo di ricerca la
                        avrei buttata dalla finestra</b></span><b> "</b></div>
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                  <div>Per amor di chiarezza, ci tengo a sottolineare
                    che non stavamo parlando della "conduzione della
                    ricerca" ma di comunicazione e diffusione, ovvero di
                    Open Access, abbonamenti e pagamento delle APC, sui
                    cui meccanismi, consentitemi, le competenze di una
                    ex bibliotecaria forse possono essere utili.
                    Chiunque abbia seguito uno dei miei seminari sa che
                    parlo di comunicazione scientifica, non di come
                    impostare un gruppo di ricerca.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>In ogni caso, posso anche transigere sulle offese
                    gratuite espresse in tutti i post precedenti, ma
                    sull'ultimo non transigo.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Non è possibile che un professore si esprima in
                    questi termini, con una tale violenza verbale,
                    contro un'intera categoria per giunta.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Vi informo che ho segnalato l'episodio anche
                    all'AIB, l'Associazione Italiana Biblioteche.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>In attesa di un vostro riscontro, anche solo
                    sull'indirizzo corretto cui inviare,</div>
                  <div>cordiali saluti.</div>
                  <div>Elena Giglia</div>
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          skype/twitter: alesarrett<br>
          Web: <a href="http://ilsarrett.wordpress.com" target="_blank">ilsarrett.wordpress.com</a>
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