<div dir="ltr"><div>... e non posso fare a meno di copiare il commento di Peter Murray-Rust su questo:<br><br>
Libraries will have to decide whether they're for reseachers or for
publishers; they cannot continue as they are, talk but no fight
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<br></div>eg<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-29 15:34 GMT+02:00 Elena Giglia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elena.giglia@unito.it" target="_blank">elena.giglia@unito.it</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>... scusate, ma questa era troppo bella...<br><br></div>Vi copio i tweets di Mike Taylor che riprendono passaggi di
Martin Grötschel, fra l'altro membro del team di negoziazione DEAL,
ad APE 2018 (fiera editori) <a href="https://www.ape2018.eu/" target="_blank">https://www.ape2018.eu/</a><br></div>Sei minuti di lucidissimo discorso su monopolio, implicazioni economiche, avidità, profitti "grotteschi" e... pretese di essere i "buoni Samaritani" della scienza.<br><a href="https://youtu.be/dGAXTEnqBew" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/dGAXTEnqBew</a><br><div><br></div><div>Da sentire!<br></div><div>eg<br></div><div>
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<p class="m_3841795205316116035gmail-TweetTextSize m_3841795205316116035gmail-js-tweet-text m_3841795205316116035gmail-tweet-text" lang="en">These are the opening remarks of Martin Grötschel, who as well as being president of the host institution, the Berlin Brandenburg Academy of Sciences and Humanities, is a 25-year veteran of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OpenAccess?src=hash" class="m_3841795205316116035gmail-twitter-hashtag m_3841795205316116035gmail-pretty-link m_3841795205316116035gmail-js-nav" dir="ltr" target="_blank"><s>#</s><b>OpenAccess</b></a> campaigning. and a member of the German DEAL negotiating team. Read on…</p>
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<p class="m_3841795205316116035gmail-TweetTextSize m_3841795205316116035gmail-js-tweet-text m_3841795205316116035gmail-tweet-text" lang="en">1m50s: "I have always been aware of the significant imbalance and the fundamental divisions of the academic publication market. Being in the DEAL negotiation team, this became even more apparent ..."</p>
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<br clear="all"><div><div><br>-- <br><div class="m_3841795205316116035gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(103,78,167)">dr. Elena Giglia<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>Unità di progetto Open Access<br>Direzione Ricerca e Terza Missione<br>Universita' degli Studi di Torino<br>tel. <a href="tel:+39%20011%20670" value="+39011670" target="_blank">+39.011.670</a><b>.4191</b></span><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(103,78,167)"><a href="http://www.oa.unito.it" target="_blank">www.oa.unito.it </a></span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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