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    <p>Come non concordare con il tuo sconforto?<br>
      Io mi sono sentita dire "ma se la rivista fa pagare l'autore per
      pubblicare è chiaro che non può essere una rivista affidabile":
      come se ci fosse necessariamente un legame tra APC e assenza di
      peer review.</p>
    <p>Sigh...<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Tessa Piazzini 
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 07/12/2016 15:22, Elena Giglia ha
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                    <div>Cari tutti, <br>
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                    ve ne segnalo un'altra, a riprova del fatto che
                    siamo un paese meraviglioso.<br>
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                  <div>Ieri stavo aiutando una direttirice di rivista a
                    inserire la domanda nella procedura online per la
                    revisione delle riviste di fascia A presso ANVUR.<br>
                    Nella prima schermata si trova questa amenita' (di
                    cui allego screen, perche' non credevo ai miei
                    occhi):<br>
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                "Rivista pubblicata in Open Access?"<br>
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              in cui fra le possibilita' di risposta si legge [notare
              anche la forma grammaticale scorretta delle risposte
              rispetto alla domanda posta]<br>
              - Nessuna risposta<br>
              - Una rivista Open Access (Open Access Journal - "gold")<br>
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          - <b>Una rivista Open Access sul modello degli Open Access
            repositories (Open Access repositories - "green")</b><br>
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        - Una rivista NON Open Access [mi raccomando, NON tutto
        maisucolo, non sia mai che ci confondano]<br>
        <div>- Altro<br clear="all">
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                        <div>Ora, ci sono alcune cose tragiche:<br>
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                        <div>1) alle risposta e' premessa una legenda
                          che rimanda<br>
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                        <div>- alla overview di Peter Suber<br>
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                        <div>- al servizio ROAD creato da ISSN con
                          UNESCO, che, forse, non e' la fonte piu'
                          attendibile per le riviste OA, ma comunque
                          rimanda correttamente a fonti in cui le
                          distinzioni fra green e gold sono chiare<br>
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                        <div>detto questo, significa che chi ha creato
                          le risposte<br>
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                        <div>- o non ha letto le definizioni di Suber<br>
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                        <div>- o non le ha capite<br>
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                        <div>2) NESSUNO dei direttori di rivista che
                          finora ha applicato si e' mai accorto della
                          castroneria universale che c'e' scritta
                          [amerei sapere se qualcuno ha scelto questa
                          opzione]<br>
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                        <div>3) amerei sapere in quale occasione e'
                          necessario rispondere "Altro"<br>
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                        <div>Signori, siamo nel 2016.<br>
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                        <div>Il mondo sta andando avanti. Ovunque si
                          parla di Open Science, dando per scontato
                          l'Open Access.<br>
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                        <div>In Italia non solo non sappiamo cosa sia
                          l'Open Access, ma all'ANVUR sono convinti che
                          esistano le "riviste sul modello dei
                          repositories".<br>
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                        <div>A questa agenzia e' delegata la valutazione
                          della ricerca nazionale.<br>
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                        <div>Il mio sconforto, oggi, e' totale.<br>
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                        <div>Resta ancora tanto, tanto lavoro da fare.<br>
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                        <div>Intanto, girero' questa mail a una persona
                          che conosco che lavora in ANVUR.<br>
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                        <div>Cari saluti<br>
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