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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">In effetti io mi muovo nel settore
      delle scienze biomediche e, sinceramente, anche se non si può
      parlare precisamente di double dipping, nell'era dell'online la
      trovo una prassi quantomeno discutibile e sulla cui moralità molto
      ci sarebbe da dire: chiedono soldi per le subscriptions, chiedono
      soldi per le OA options e chiedono soldi per le pages/colour
      charges... <br>
      Non credo ci siano molti commenti da fare.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Tessa Piazzini 
Responsabile del Servizio di informazione e comunicazione all'utenza
Biblioteca Biomedica <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica">http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica</a>
Università degli studi di Firenze
Largo Brambilla 3
50134 Firenze
tel. 055 4271137
fax 055 4221649
e-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it">tessa.piazzini@unifi.it</a>
Blog Bibliomedica In-forma: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com">www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com</a></pre>
      Il 20/11/2013 17:18, valentina comba ha scritto:<br>
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                    <div id="yiv5654254472yui_3_13_0_6_1384962995954_11">Mi
                      sembra più una modalità comune in una comunità
                      scientifica (e relativi editori), che "double
                      dipping" o altro.<br clear="none">
                      Ai tempi, i reprints degli editori biomedici  si
                      pagavano cari (100.000 lire o più per 50 estratti)
                      e gli interessati se li tenevano stretti per i
                      concorsi....Comunque sono d'accordo con Antonella
                      al riguardo.<br clear="none">
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                      Valentina Comba<br clear="none">
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                              Il Mercoledì 20 Novembre 2013 15:50,
                              Antonella De Robbio
                              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:antonella.derobbio@unipd.it"><antonella.derobbio@unipd.it></a> ha
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                                      <div>Cara Alessandra</div>
                                      <div>non stiamo parlando della
                                        modalità APC Article Processing
                                        Charge usata - a seguito delle
                                        decisioni del Governo Willets
                                        britannico - che prevede fee per
                                        articoli OA entro riviste
                                        tradizionalmente Tall Access, ma
                                        di riviste Tall Access che da
                                        sempre chiedono una fee per
                                        pubblicare (dopo peer-review
                                        comunque) articoli che rimangono
                                        rigorosamente chiusi.</div>
                                      <div>Questa era una prassi usata
                                        da alcune riviste di ambito
                                        biomedico, prassi che si è
                                        andata via via modificando
                                        inglobata nella modalità APC
                                        verso l'OA.</div>
                                      <div>In altri termini, negli
                                        ultimi decenni, alcune riviste
                                        biomediche chiuse, chiedevano
                                        una fee a sostengo delle spese
                                        di pubblicazione.</div>
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                                      <div>ciao Antonella</div>
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                                          class="yiv5654254472gmail_quote">Il
                                          giorno 20 novembre 2013 13:57,
                                          Alessandra Meleddu <span
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                                              rel="nofollow"
                                              shape="rect"
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                                              target="_blank"
                                              href="mailto:alessandra.meleddu@dimcm.unica.it">alessandra.meleddu@dimcm.unica.it</a>></span>
                                          ha scritto:<br clear="none">
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                                              Anche in Ingegneria
                                              pagano.<br clear="none">
                                              Da poco ho visto una fee
                                              per Springer<br
                                                clear="none">
                                              Non mi sembra una cosa
                                              strana.
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                                                  At 13.53 20/11/2013,
                                                  Antonella De Robbio
                                                  wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                                  <blockquote
                                                    type="cite">In
                                                    medicina e
                                                    discipline affini
                                                    è prassi da decenni
                                                    per certe riviste
                                                    tradizionali chiuse
                                                    chiedere la fee
                                                    per la pubblicazione<br
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                                                    antonella<br
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                                                    Il giorno 20
                                                    novembre 2013 12:57,
                                                    Tessa Piazzini
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                                                      href="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it">tessa.piazzini@unifi.it</a>
                                                    > ha scritto:<br
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                                                      <dd>Scusate,<br
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                                                      <dd>ma chiedo a
                                                        voi una
                                                        consulenza su
                                                        un'osservazione
                                                        che mi è stata
                                                        fatta<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>da una
                                                        ricercatrice e
                                                        che sinceramente
                                                        non mi torna:<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>la
                                                        ricercatrice
                                                        sostiene di aver
                                                        recentemente
                                                        proposto un
                                                        articolo
                                                        ad<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>una rivista
                                                        non open access
                                                        del più grosso
                                                        editore del
                                                        settore
                                                        STM<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>(provate a
                                                        indovinare chi?)
                                                        e che questa,
                                                        dopo averlo
                                                        accettato,
                                                        dopo<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>aver inviato i
                                                        commenti frutto
                                                        della peer
                                                        review e dopo
                                                        l'accettazione<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>definitiva, le
                                                        ha chiesto il
                                                        pagamento di una
                                                        fee.<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Badate bene: a
                                                        detta sua non si
                                                        tratta nè di una
                                                        fee per una
                                                        "open<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>access
                                                        options"
                                                        (possibile e
                                                        chiaramente
                                                        indicata nella
                                                        Guide
                                                        for<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>authors), nè
                                                        di costi
                                                        aggiuntivi
                                                        derivanti da, ad
                                                        esempio, aver
                                                        inserito<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>più tabelle di
                                                        quante ammesse
                                                        normalmente o
                                                        cose del genere.<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>In pratica, un
                                                        costo, non
                                                        dichiarato in
                                                        fase iniziale,
                                                        per qualcosa
                                                        che<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>non è chiaro
                                                        che cosa sia. Vi
                                                        pare possibile
                                                        (per non parlare
                                                        della<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>correttezza)?<br
                                                          clear="none">
                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Non ho ancora
                                                        avuto modo di
                                                        leggere questa
                                                        richiesta di 
                                                        pagamento, per<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>cui prendete
                                                        il tutto con le
                                                        dovute
                                                        precauzioni, ma
                                                        vi risulta che
                                                        un<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>editore toll
                                                        access chieda un
                                                        pagamento per
                                                        pubblicare su
                                                        una
                                                        rivista<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>non OA
                                                        (escluse le
                                                        opzioni indicate
                                                        sopra)?<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Grazie<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>--<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Tessa Piazzini<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Responsabile
                                                        del Servizio di
                                                        informazione e
                                                        comunicazione
                                                        all'utenza<br
                                                          clear="none">
                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Biblioteca
                                                        Biomedica
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
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                                                          target="_blank"
href="http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica">
http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica</a><br clear="none">
                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Università
                                                        degli studi di
                                                        Firenze<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Largo
                                                        Brambilla 3<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>50134 Firenze<br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>tel. <a
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                                                          4271137</a><br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>fax <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                                          rel="nofollow"
                                                          shape="rect">055
                                                          4221649</a><br
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                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>e-mail:
                                                        <a
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                                                          ymailto="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it"
target="_blank" href="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it">tessa.piazzini@unifi.it</a><br
                                                          clear="none">
                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>Blog
                                                        Bibliomedica
                                                        In-forma:
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
                                                          shape="rect"
                                                          target="_blank"
href="http://www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com/">
www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com</a><br clear="none">
                                                        <br clear="none">
                                                      </dd>
                                                      <dd>_______________________________________________<br
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                                                      <dd>OA-Italia
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target="_blank" href="mailto:OA-Italia@openarchives.it">
OA-Italia@openarchives.it</a><br clear="none">
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                                                      <dd>PLEIADI:
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                                                    Antonella De Robbio<br
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                                                    CAB Centro di Ateneo
                                                    per le Biblioteche<br
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                                                    Università degli
                                                    Studi di Padova<br
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                                                    Via Anghinoni, 3<br
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                                                    35121 PADOVA (ITALY)<br
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                                                    ""Chi ha trascurato
                                                    la propria
                                                    educazione non sa
                                                    fare uso della
                                                    propria libertà".
                                                    Kant <br
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                                                Dott.ssa Alessandra
                                                Meleddu<br clear="none">
                                                Biblioteca del Distretto
                                                Tecnologico, sezione
                                                INGEGNERIA MECCANICA<br
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                                                di Cagliari<br
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                                                Via Marengo 2 - 09123
                                                CAGLIARI-Italia<br
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                                                TEL. <a
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