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      segnalo
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Tessa Piazzini 
Responsabile del Servizio di informazione e comunicazione all'utenza
Biblioteca Biomedica <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica">http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica</a>
Università degli studi di Firenze
Largo Brambilla 3
50134 Firenze
tel. 055 4271137
fax 055 4221649
e-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it">tessa.piazzini@unifi.it</a>
Blog Bibliomedica In-forma: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com">www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com</a></pre>
      Il 20/11/2013 17:47, Tessa Piazzini ha scritto:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">In effetti io mi muovo nel settore
        delle scienze biomediche e, sinceramente, anche se non si può
        parlare precisamente di double dipping, nell'era dell'online la
        trovo una prassi quantomeno discutibile e sulla cui moralità
        molto ci sarebbe da dire: chiedono soldi per le subscriptions,
        chiedono soldi per le OA options e chiedono soldi per le
        pages/colour charges... <br>
        Non credo ci siano molti commenti da fare.<br>
        <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Tessa Piazzini 
Responsabile del Servizio di informazione e comunicazione all'utenza
Biblioteca Biomedica <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica">http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica</a>
Università degli studi di Firenze
Largo Brambilla 3
50134 Firenze
tel. 055 4271137
fax 055 4221649
e-mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it">tessa.piazzini@unifi.it</a>
Blog Bibliomedica In-forma: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com">www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com</a></pre>
        Il 20/11/2013 17:18, valentina comba ha scritto:<br>
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                      <div
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                        sembra più una modalità comune in una comunità
                        scientifica (e relativi editori), che "double
                        dipping" o altro.<br clear="none">
                        Ai tempi, i reprints degli editori biomedici  si
                        pagavano cari (100.000 lire o più per 50
                        estratti) e gli interessati se li tenevano
                        stretti per i concorsi....Comunque sono
                        d'accordo con Antonella al riguardo.<br
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                        <br clear="none">
                        Valentina Comba<br clear="none">
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                                Il Mercoledì 20 Novembre 2013 15:50,
                                Antonella De Robbio <a
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                                ha scritto:<br clear="none">
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                                        <div>Cara Alessandra</div>
                                        <div>non stiamo parlando della
                                          modalità APC Article
                                          Processing Charge usata - a
                                          seguito delle decisioni del
                                          Governo Willets britannico -
                                          che prevede fee per articoli
                                          OA entro riviste
                                          tradizionalmente Tall Access,
                                          ma di riviste Tall Access che
                                          da sempre chiedono una fee per
                                          pubblicare (dopo peer-review
                                          comunque) articoli che
                                          rimangono rigorosamente
                                          chiusi.</div>
                                        <div>Questa era una prassi usata
                                          da alcune riviste di ambito
                                          biomedico, prassi che si è
                                          andata via via modificando
                                          inglobata nella modalità APC
                                          verso l'OA.</div>
                                        <div>In altri termini, negli
                                          ultimi decenni, alcune riviste
                                          biomediche chiuse, chiedevano
                                          una fee a sostengo delle spese
                                          di pubblicazione.</div>
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                                        </div>
                                        <div>ciao Antonella</div>
                                      </div>
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                                            class="yiv5654254472gmail_quote">Il

                                            giorno 20 novembre 2013
                                            13:57, Alessandra Meleddu <span
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                                            ha scritto:<br clear="none">
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                                              <div> Anche in Ingegneria
                                                pagano.<br clear="none">
                                                Da poco ho visto una fee
                                                per Springer<br
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                                                Non mi sembra una cosa
                                                strana.
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                                                    At 13.53 20/11/2013,
                                                    Antonella De Robbio
                                                    wrote:<br
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                                                    <blockquote
                                                      type="cite">In
                                                      medicina e
                                                      discipline affini
                                                      è prassi da
                                                      decenni per certe
                                                      riviste
                                                      tradizionali
                                                      chiuse chiedere la
                                                      fee per la
                                                      pubblicazione<br
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                                                      antonella<br
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                                                      <br clear="none">
                                                      Il giorno 20
                                                      novembre 2013
                                                      12:57, Tessa
                                                      Piazzini <<a
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                                                        target="_blank"
href="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it">tessa.piazzini@unifi.it</a> >
                                                      ha scritto:<br
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                                                        <dd>Scusate,<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>ma chiedo a
                                                          voi una
                                                          consulenza su
                                                          un'osservazione

                                                          che mi è stata
                                                          fatta<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>da una
                                                          ricercatrice e
                                                          che
                                                          sinceramente
                                                          non mi torna:<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>la
                                                          ricercatrice
                                                          sostiene di
                                                          aver
                                                          recentemente
                                                          proposto un
                                                          articolo ad<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>una rivista
                                                          non open
                                                          access del più
                                                          grosso editore
                                                          del settore
                                                          STM<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>(provate a
                                                          indovinare
                                                          chi?) e che
                                                          questa, dopo
                                                          averlo
                                                          accettato,
                                                          dopo<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>aver inviato
                                                          i commenti
                                                          frutto della
                                                          peer review e
                                                          dopo
                                                          l'accettazione<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>definitiva,
                                                          le ha chiesto
                                                          il pagamento
                                                          di una fee.<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Badate bene:
                                                          a detta sua
                                                          non si tratta
                                                          nè di una fee
                                                          per una "open<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>access
                                                          options"
                                                          (possibile e
                                                          chiaramente
                                                          indicata nella
                                                          Guide for<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>authors), nè
                                                          di costi
                                                          aggiuntivi
                                                          derivanti da,
                                                          ad esempio,
                                                          aver inserito<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>più tabelle
                                                          di quante
                                                          ammesse
                                                          normalmente o
                                                          cose del
                                                          genere.<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>In pratica,
                                                          un costo, non
                                                          dichiarato in
                                                          fase iniziale,
                                                          per qualcosa
                                                          che<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>non è chiaro
                                                          che cosa sia.
                                                          Vi pare
                                                          possibile (per
                                                          non parlare
                                                          della<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>correttezza)?<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Non ho
                                                          ancora avuto
                                                          modo di
                                                          leggere questa
                                                          richiesta di 
                                                          pagamento, per<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>cui prendete
                                                          il tutto con
                                                          le dovute
                                                          precauzioni,
                                                          ma vi risulta
                                                          che un<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>editore toll
                                                          access chieda
                                                          un pagamento
                                                          per pubblicare
                                                          su una rivista<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>non OA
                                                          (escluse le
                                                          opzioni
                                                          indicate
                                                          sopra)?<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Grazie<br
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                                                          <br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>--<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Tessa
                                                          Piazzini<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Responsabile
                                                          del Servizio
                                                          di
                                                          informazione e
                                                          comunicazione
                                                          all'utenza<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Biblioteca
                                                          Biomedica <a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
                                                          href="http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica">
http://www.sba.unifi.it/biomedica</a><br clear="none">
                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Università
                                                          degli studi di
                                                          Firenze<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Largo
                                                          Brambilla 3<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>50134
                                                          Firenze<br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>tel. <a
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                                                          rel="nofollow"
                                                          shape="rect">055

                                                          4271137</a><br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>fax <a
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                                                          rel="nofollow"
                                                          shape="rect">055

                                                          4221649</a><br
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                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>e-mail: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                                                          ymailto="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it"
target="_blank" href="mailto:tessa.piazzini@unifi.it">tessa.piazzini@unifi.it</a><br
                                                          clear="none">
                                                        </dd>
                                                        <dd>Blog
                                                          Bibliomedica
                                                          In-forma: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
                                                          href="http://www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com/">
www.bibliotecabiomedica.wordpress.com</a><br clear="none">
                                                          <br
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                                                        <dd>_______________________________________________<br
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                                                      Antonella De
                                                      Robbio<br
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                                                      CAB Centro di
                                                      Ateneo per le
                                                      Biblioteche<br
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                                                      Studi di Padova<br
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